Posted on Friday, 11/06/2009 - 9:26 a.m. PST — by Jazerelle
That girl in Utah who was kidnapped and held for 9 months also initially lied to the police about who she was so we should not be surprised that Jaycee did not initially say who she was. It is my belief that Phillip coached her on what to say. 1. She said the girls were her daughters and the daughters seem to think this was ok. If I remember rightly they did not know she was their real mom until told later. So this was a story Philip told them to say. 2. She was running from an abusive husband. This is obviously a coach job. 3. Phillip is great and wonderful and has changed. Ok who of us would say that about anyone without some coaching? Again Phillp told her what to say. 4. She knew about his background but he is changed. Again that is so obviously a coaching job. Why would she say that unless told to make good old Phil look great. 5. Why would she out of the blue ask for a lawyer? Another coaching from good old Phil who is used to the court system. I believe he totally coached all the ladies what to say. Probably did a passive threat aka "If they send me to jail who will take care of you." And yes she got disturbed and agitated because everyone knew she was coached and she could see they did not believe her. She was probably fearful of what would become of her and her daughters. Well now she knows. She is free. I only hope she realizes how much control Phil had over her and is thankful for her freedom and finally being allowed to be herself and mother of her girls.
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It's so obvious. How could the 29-year-old who apparently was shut off from the outside world: no formal schooling (maybe home schooled ?), etc. knows about 'getting a lawyer', 'he's a changed man convicted of rape', etc. Of course, she was coached - since she was kidnapped 18 years ago.
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you look at things...as I did not interpret that portion of the article in the manner suggested by the poster in the begining of this thread. I can also see why or how a person that has never been through certain life experiences might read it that way - so I don't fault them either.
To that - I can only say - "If you only knew" AND at the same time "be glad you don't know".
I am sure she did feel that her children might be taken away from her - and at some point (either by instinct or collective assessment from advise of an objective source) had to block the underlying current of threat (abuse).
The first step was to get out of that house and dynamic (dynamic still lingers though)
Now she can concentrate on the next steps -
1) Her daughter(s)
2) Herself and getting the help she needs
Having a Dejvu' -
gave this same advise to someone once (somewhat similar circumstances) and helped her get help. All a fluke - as I was asked to speak with this poor woman about something entirely different by some power hungry idiot who did not want to help her - but for some reason she opened up to me (and a can of worms did open;). Now she is out of an abusive home, moving forward and her daughter is safe from potential sexual abuse. She stayed under the belief her daughter was going to be taken away from her. She was the one that did it - not me - but first - she needed someone to help her focus on what was important and give her appropriate resources. Isolation is a big part of abuse.
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Are we seriously going to try to put some of this blame on Jaycee? Hasn't she been through enough? Who was the idiot that even let this get to the media? Who cares that she lied except for the wackos attorneys? The previous posters have this one nailed.
Will she ever be herself? She had more than half her life (so far) stolen from her by this sicko. All of the things that she missed and won't be able to pass on to her children, who have also missed out because of these perverted pedofiliacs.
Why don't we just leave her alone, convist these a'holes and be done with it?
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I find it strange that she'd pose for a magazine only weeks after this has happened. she doesn't appear to be traumatized by all of this.
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You go live in a tent for years and let someone come rape you whenever they feel like. Birth 2 of their babies and fear for your life. Then see if you have done everything possible to survive the ordeal. This poor woman needs to do anything she needs to get on with her life. Even to writing about it and letting all concerned for her know how she is doing. I hope there will be many articles and stories about this so it is never forgotten that we have animals preying on our children. My guess is because she was a survivor you feel she enjoyed her ordeal.
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Get your facts straight. Jaycee had a family friend/photographer who took the pictures, not the magazine. And it was 2 months after her release from captivity. How do you think she's suppose to survive and take care of her two children...welfare???
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Tupac,
You apparently don't know much about the actions of a person who has been traumatized. She has been abused (mentally and physically), brainwashed, coached, deprived and probably drugged, raped, tortured and who knows what else for over 18 years. She was eleven when taken, just a child, having to withgo all that plus depend on those so called people for survival. Not much in her last 18 years have been of her free will. So she's still doing what she is being told or asked to do. She needs to help get her story out there to help all the other families and victims of these type of crimes. She is going to need years of pyscho therapy to help her get to where she needs to be at 29 years old. Plus, her daughter's will also need alot of help too. How dare you act like she's at fault here and that she's not been affected by all those years of torture. I pray that something like this never happens to someone that you love.
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There is alway someone around like you, Tupac. I suggest you read the article more, especially the last section. The life she had was, effectively, all she knew. She survived the best way she could and that obviously has meant assimulating with her captors. (There's a good post here somewhere about that). How you define traumatised is clearly not based on knowing much about this story at all. I suggest you need to read and think a lot more before writing here.
I have no issue that Jaycee may have lied about who she was when first interviewed. Remember, this was essentially the only world she knew and, I bet, that her main objective was to make sure she would keep her daugthers together, at all cost - "lying" included. Given this was her first time with law enforcement and that the Garrido's had probably 'coached' her on what to say when she was being interviewed, her first response is not unexpected. Remember they had a day or two rehearse, so the Garrido's could have easily be said that if they find the truth, you will lose your daugthers. Hence, I think, once she realised that she would not lose her daugthers (and being correctly treated as a victim), everything would have changed. The lie could finally end.
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"Jaycee Dugard hid her identity, lied, refused to answer questions and asked for a lawyer as a parole agent probed her relationship with Phillip Garrido during the Aug. 26 meeting in Concord that prompted the arrests of Garrido and his wife."
Simerman, you should be ashamed of yourself for your lack of journalistic compassion and integrity. This article reads like a sensationalized National Enquirer! The facts are correct but your writing stinks! It's bad enough that our community has done little to help Jaycee and her daughters and this is just another kick in arse!
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I agree, Gatalover, it's a terrible opening paragraph to the article. In fact it is a disgrace! It tries to infer that Jaycee was complicit in someway. An unbelievably naive position that fails, grossly, to consider the context and circumstances of the situation. Why focus on Jaycee's response? Are we now in the business of victimising victims? Someone needs to go back to journalism school...or maybe even decency school. An apology would be a good step.
I was not a fan of Jaycee writing a book (for me, what happened in private should say there). However, with such low quality reporting, I think a book would be good so it can straighten out some of the poor information (and assumptions) that have been written about this case.
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It appeared that Jaycee only lied in the presence of Garrido. Once she was seperated from him, she was free to tell the truth. She is a survivor and as time progresses, love and therapy will begin to take root. I don't blame her for what she has done. A thought - I have a friend whose 28-year old son dropped out of the 8th grade - Just last May, he graduated from community college, - good show. My friend explained to me that teenagers who get involved in drugs, etc at an early age, stop progressing, mentally and emotionally. He acts very much like a 17 year old High School Senior (with lots of goals). By the same token, Jaycee just turned 11 when her life was taken from her. Although she may be physically 29 years old. She is emotionally still a young teenager. She still does what she has been told. I pray that Terry has the strength to take all this on.
I do have several overall comments relative to the whole case:
1. Thankfully, Jaycee was old enough to understand how to handle a newborn as she helped her mother raise her sister who was 1 and 1/2 in 1991.
2. I think Garrido wanted to get caught or he was so convinced of himself that nothing would ever go wrong. Why did he bring all the girls? Did he want to be caught?
3. Hopefully, Carl Probyn will be reincluded in the family. He has been pretty much shut out of the reunion activiities. Both Terry and Carl could use some of the therapy that has been made available. Jaycee appears to have received lots of female family bonding; she probably also needs to rebuild a model for dealing with men in a healthy manner. Her girls need that too.
4. There appears to be some good brains behind the marketing of Jaycee. It seems that something new is appearing in the news every few weeks. It's as if, some sort of public appearance is being set and staged. She deserves all the help and support we can give her. I can't wait to see Jaycee finally stand up and tell the world her story in a successfull and confident manner. It's going to be some time before that happens though.
5. Katherine Calloway, (Garrido's 1976 Reno Rape victim). Kudos to you as you reclaim yourself from the hell Garrido gave you.