What are you trying to say? Warning shots? No, warning shots are for television and Hollywood. What's there to see about the toxocology reports for the deputies? Unless there's a mix-up between the deceased and the deputies.
You know he was a human being just like you and me!!!!!!! I think mabey one to the knee cap would have been better than 10 the head. And he didn't even have a gun. There other more serious situation out there, like child molester or REAL BAD GUYS!!!!!!!!!! That mabey they should been delt with like this, or NOT!!!!!! But what planet do you come from IDOIT, ya we know who the real idiot is!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
No he wasn't a human being like me. I don't prey on the weak, steal their property, run from the police endangering the rest of civilization and then run over officers. So no, he wasn't a human being like me.
What do you mean he preyed on the weak, if he did it would of been your car he was in. What do you suffer from teenie weenie syndrome too!!!!!! And he didn't run a police officer. And we all know he had more heart than you had(Somethimg that you don't know) AND was MORE OF A HUMAN BEING THAN YOU EVER WERE!!!!!!!!!!!!! It's judemental people like you!!!! That the WORLD is they it is!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ok so the pic he load on his myspace page of him holding a gun was what a toy gun????? yes he was a person, a father, a son, and a husband. and its a loss for his kids, i feel for them, BUT... the point is, he is a criminal. he broke the law, commited home many felonies that night and tried to kill/run over a person, a DEPUTY!... so, his choices, his mistakes will now cost him his life, a father for his children.
you ever had a 6,000lb vehicle comming your way????? but on the other hand you dont have the life skill to know wht to do if that were to happen....
heart has nothing to do with brains.. come on now. pics of guns, marijuana plants/, gang tats. etc, if it looks like then it must be. if he was a good person, then none of that stuff would be posted, he would have been home, not VIOLATING his PAROLE. with his kids, his family.
i dont think the chapter prez authorizied what he did, and if he did, then well thats why the bad name is out there.
They changed the pix on his myspace, no more guns or marijuana plants. Too late, we already know what kind of person he was whether or not we saw his myspace. He was a career criminal. That means what he did for his job was criminal activity. It is sad for his kids that their father chose to be the way he was. That is the true loss here. These poor kids have been victims of his behaviour. Still in his death they are the victims. They probably blot out all the terrible things he's done and only know what they here. It's the cops fault, not your father made some really bad choices in his life. I hate to say it, but maybe they are better off without a father that is in and out of jail. Maybe now they will have some peace for awhile, that is until the mother hooks up with another criminal.
What do you suffer from teenie weenie syndrome too!!!!!! And we all know he had more heart than you had(Somethimg that you don't know) AND was MORE OF A HUMAN BEING THAN YOU EVER WERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm the judgemental one? Uh huh.
No, I'm just not a thief who runs from the police. I'm a productive member of society, not a draw on society.
"One to the knee cap?" How do you do that exactly when your friend is IN a car violently maneuvering to escape? Do Shoagland's friends and family just make this crap up as they try to explain his behavior?
"He didn't even have a gun?" No, he had a 4000 lbs car he was recklessly driving which can be just as effective as a gun in destroying another human being.
As you all try to explain away Shoagland's behavior as "not a big deal" and the police are evil, I can only suspect that you all are cut from the same cloth.
so if you wear a badge and you make up the rules. go to school learn the ropes than all of a sudden you have the right to be dirtier then the dirtiest bum on all kinds of drugs....how much does a badge to destroy your kind cost. we all have a heart and bleed and have families that grieve when we leave so as happy as you may seem give it time it comes back around harder and faster than you could believe and one day you will feel me or something
police protection is overrated i hope all you crooked cops get what you put in while that stupid car was stolen with full intentions of being dropped by morning there were probably a couple home invasions or some parents beating thier children or some creepy step-dad molesting a baby why dont you guys stop and help if me and my kids are broke down stranded or i ran out of gas.maybe if i was being harrassed you would think the police gave a rats [bleep] nope but known criminals have'nt a chance they're labeled and grudges grow and they dont grow old they grow strong before you know it your gone ...everyone has no choice but to move on ..crime prevention is a lost cause blame yourself first than you can point fingers
Your comments tell us alot about who you are. Crime isn't a big deal to you, why? Because it's your lifestlye too?
"full intentions of being dropped..." What the hell does that mean? Is that your lame excuse for your friend's life choices? Not a big deal? I DON'T AGREE.
You attack the Police in general berating their service to the community and instead glorify a thief and criminal. Yes, we know where you are coming from.
"Crime prevention is a lost cause" If it is, it's because people like you make it so.
why dont you guys stop and help if me and my kids are broke down stranded or i ran out of gas.maybe if i was being harrassed
Huh? They do stop and help. Has this poster ever driven on the freeway? Or driven at all in a car and looked at people being helped by the side of the road?
If someone is ramming a police car, that person is using their car as a deadly weapon and will be dealt with accordingly. It's easy to sit on your [bleep] behind your computer and make up reasons why the police are at fault here. Put your third world emotions to rest for a moment and you may (if you have any logic whatsoever) realize that the police are not always at fault, and did what they had to do to protect themselves. If you think the thugs will prevail then you are wrong my friend. There is a silent majority that will step in and take care of business when the time comes. You and your side are the reason these kind of events take place. Take some personal responsibility and quit trying to get everything for free. Get skilled, get a job, and buy a car. No need to steal or drive a stolen car. If you do you may be caught and bad things will happen if you try to ram a person with a gun. Step up and be responsible and quit your whining!
First off, where does the "5-8" number come from? It's not in the article.
Second, when a person is under attack and their adrenaline is pumping, they will fire their gun multiple times. It's normal, and not an indication of excessive force. You have a very small amount of time to try to assess whether your first shot even hit the attacker, and if it did whether it will stop them. The most appropriate and safest thing for you to do is to keep shooting until the attacker stops.
Chewy, just stfu and stop broadcasting your stupidity. You're one of those special few who can live in complete denial of the truth. Come to think of it, you should join the police force.
You asked where the number 5-8 came from and she told you. Eight year olds don't miss a man sized target at 20-30 feet so I imagine that a trained officer landed most, if not all, of those 5-8 shots.
Being there does give you some insight. Why don't you go polish your Obama bumper sticker.
In fact, anybody who's been keeping up with the news is probably thinking to themselves around now, this cop-out story about "he tried to ram me with his car so I shot him with more bullets than a revolver can hold." is getting very old and played out. But lucky you, you can hear that story a thousand times and it will satisfy you every time.
Did you even finish reading this article? Particularly the part about the guy who called the police for help and when they showed up they murdered him because they thought he was threatening them with the knife he didn't really want to kill himsel
Oh thats right, you're the "curious" fellow "who just wants to know." Well I thought you already knew, since you described the crime scene details so well. Eye witness are you?
"You asked where the number 5-8 came from and she told you"
Ok, lets talk stupid. The witness said she "heard" 5 to 8 shots while in her living room ...... not that she "saw" the scene of 5 to 8 shots being fired by the Police. Remember that part, Brainiac? She was not a significant witness.
"so I imagine that a trained officer landed most," You know what bugs me most - nimrod ..... "You imagine"?
So your imaginings are more credible than others? How is that so; you got special powers?
And what does an Obama bumper sticker have to do with this incident? You seem to be all over the place. You having trouble staying focus on the matter at hand?
Listen, you have such an obvious built-in bias against the police you have lost your credibility with me and any fair minded person and can not talk objectively about this matter.
You were not there and do not know all the evidense, but you judged the police guilty of misconduct because your "imagine" tells you so. That ain't good enough.
I will defend the police action because they were apprehending a career criminal in a stolen automobile - and until any misconduct charge is given to these officers - I will most definitely give them the benefit of the doubt - you putz.
You are exactly the voice that needs to be heard. So many people walk around with the idea that we are all the same inside. You have done a great job of proving what I already knew to be true. There are thugs among us. You are one of them or sympathize with them. People need to understand what the cops have to deal with in the hood.
When people take a good look at our inner cities and what life is really like there they would be shocked. It is violent, ugly and has no hope or change going on right now.
"that stupid car was stolen with full intentions of being dropped by morning"
Shoreshakers.....that was a great statement. As a matter of fact, he probably only 'borrowed' the car because he had full intentions of dropping it off in the morning. Who cares that the car was SOMEONE ELSE'S!!!! Don't steal cars, don't run from the police, and don't try to ram deputies....
Regardless of how/why it happened, I'm sorry for all the families involved.
Do you guys not understand that my family has lost someone?
Everyone on here is talking bad about someone who got killed, killed by police that people say "we can trust" there was no reason to shoot and kill my cousin. The police lied and said that he had a gun but it's funny how the investigators found no gun in his possesion but there are still people saying good for the police. The Sheriffs have taken away someone that was very close to me and all everyone is worried about it the officer who got injured. Who cares, he still has his family and his life.
We are dealing with nothing but crooked police in the community, just think this could have been your son, husband,brother or cousin.
I never knew you could get killed by being in a "stolen car" thought you just went to jail for that? Guess not.
Sorry to hear that he was family, but he could have just given up, even if he was scared, with the police, if you do something stupid like try to run them over, there is a very big possibility that they will shot at you. Your cousin had a choice, give up, or try to run, obviously he made the wrong choice. Weather he had a gun or not, you can't just run people over. How would you have felt if he was the one to kill someone? Would you back him up then too? If he gave up then he could have gone to jail, for a few days, then have court date.
The situation is a sad one. People make poor choices that end up costing their lives. Don't get me wrong, I don't support all police activity, but I do understand where they are coming from. If I had a gun, and someone was coming at me with a car, I would shoot too.
Thank you to the people that acctualy have a heart and a soul for your thoughts over our familys loss. We very much appriciate them.
But to these cold hearted people that have no idea what happened in this incident there will be more investigations to show that excessive force was used when he was stopped and asked to put his hands out the window and he complied. With his hands empty and him giving up and without a blink of an eye 17 shots rang out in the town of Bay Point.
People do the wrong things sometimes but does this mean 17 shots to kill someone for stealing a car? If this is what you think is standand procedure maybe YOU have the problem. Obviously you're not educated enough to understand hurt and loss. If this ever happens in YOUR family or something maybe you can reflect on what you stated here and not be such a vial person with no feeling or soul for family members with our painful loss.
I would urge you and your family to enlist the help of the attorney over in Oakland that deals specifically with Police corruption, Police Abuse and wrongfull death lawsuits.
Disregard the morons on the internet. Focus on grieving and getting justice for your cousin. Call the tv stations too, to have your cousins side of the story told to the public...
Hope this helps. Find solace with your family and religion, and "justice with an attorney". If you feel the Sherrifs dept is covering up wrongdoing and are getting no answers call the local FBI office in Concord or Oakland and speak with a Special Agent to discuss the particulars, witnesses etc..
Funny, you don't have a single word of concern for the deputy who was injured.
You weren't there Brentwood! But somehow you have managed to discern all the details of this incident, and come to a conclusion. The car thief was grievously wronged - and the Police are guilty.
Do you follow the logic Brentwood? Or is that too much for you?
sort, you HAVE to know that people that make posts with themes of this sort have a "personal" agenda! Now what that agenda might be, I have no idea but I'm sure your imagination can come up with some pretty credible reasons, if you get my drift!!
I was just reading the thief is a 34 year old man who has a history of auto theft. He is apparently a career criminal who wanted to see who blinked first in a confrontation with deputies.
Our dear Brentwood is one of the fringe. He mentions God and lawsuits in the same sentence. Apparently he dislikes Police services, but will be the first to call 911 if something goes wrong.
In your profile Tmacco you are a 63 year old racing street rodder employed in Transportation/Logistics??
I hope you find yourself speeding towards a rookie cop who is compelled to use lethal force to stop your law breaking traffic violations before you kill an innocent motorists.
The people who claim to be the most righteous are always the worst hypocrites.
but try this on for size. If what you read makes pretty good sense to you (if you are reasonably intelligent, that is) it is probably factual and true, if it doesn't it probably is fiction or a lie. So now let's try it on for size! Do you really think that a 63yr old man would involve himself in the action you described in your ridiculous post?
You weren't there either Chewy.. you weren't even in your living room 4 houses away when the gun shots rang out.
Did you see this young mans body layed out riddled with gunshot wounds? No, you did not! Did you see his child crying while she was looking at her dead father laying in the street with blood oozing out of his lifeless body? No, you did not!
this is from his myspace... whats that in his hand... dont look like a water gun to me.... so dont tell me he was a good father... if he was, he would post things like that for all to see, he would not bringthat stuff around his child.... and he would not have made tose poor decessions. i feel for his child... she didnt ask for that, no she didnt, but he brought it on himself.
funny thing is, all the thugs, crack heads and criminals.... still post their crimes online... and wonder why they get caught and wonder why thier law suits dont go anywhere...
This would never happen in my family because my family doesn't steal cars. When you live a life of crime, you put yourself at risk. Perhaps your cousin would still be alive if you weren't so accepting of grand theft.
Amanda, stealing the car wasn't the issue. Why can't you understand that? The issue is, your cousin turned the car into a weapon in an attempt to escape.
He had already crash the car into another vehicle in his desperation. And still wasn't giving up.
He was still dangerously manruvering his car when the police tried to stop him.
just who are these alleged witnesses? Other street thugs??? Bay Point is FULL of ex-cons, parolees and just plain old garden variety "scumbags"!!! I worked both beats in "gunpoint" for years and I'll tell you this, it has always had the reputation of being "out of control" It used to be called "Dodge City" by the old timers from the 60's and 70's and I'm sure it hasn't changed that much!!
You talk about dodge city and gun point but look how backwards you have it. It's the cops who drew their sidearms and murdered this guy for stealing a car. Even in dodge city I think you were considered a coward if you shot someone who didn't draw a sidearm on you, or was about to. You and I both have a pretty good idea that he was just trying to get away and not out to run over and kill any cop. There's an enormous difference between a thief and a murderer. And only in dodge city were horse thieves executed.
So what we're left with is a public execution in the streets for theft. Is this your concept of justice?
Here's a profile for you. Go back to your pub and get completely smashed. Drive home and slap your old lady around a bit before you pass out half dressed, wake up a with a hangover, strap on your sidearm and go make crucial decisions that affect other people's lives forever.
Oh, you got a ton of fluffy rhetoric to say, but nothing important. I agree, he didn't intend to kill - he just wanted to get away. But if he runs over someone in the attempt to escape the results are still the same. Or you disagree with that?
He ran his car into someone's truck on Marina while trying to flee. I'm sure he didn't intend to do that either. But the results still the same, numbnuts.
In Oakland a couple of weeks ago. Another speeder trying to avoid the police, like your friend did - ran a stop sign and killed an innocent woman in the intersection.
I rather have the police shoot all you bastards rather than having an innocent killed in a vain attempt to "just get away."
If yiu steal a car you might get shot dead when you try to run over a cop. You might get shot and killed after you kill a gang member from a rival gang. We dont really care how many of each other you kill but when yoiu bring your insane behavior outside of your "hood" dont be surprised when we the law abiding people "snitch" on you. The day you show regard for the lives of others is the day we will care about you. Until then please feel free to continue to kill each other because that is one one thing you seem to be good at. ps by the time you read this you will have killed yet again. Have a nice weekend thugs.
In other cities officers use non-lethal forces, shotguns with rubber bullets, tear gas, mame the assailant in the arm, leg or midsection.....instead of always killing any person fleeing or confronting an officer....
Even perps with loaded guns are handled differently in other cities and parts of the country.... then again back East a police academy won't even look at a candidate without a 4yr degree in criminal justice, less rogue cops, more educated and multiple periodic reviews The Wild Corrupt West seems to prevail in so many law enforcement agencies in CA.
There will be a study out soon........regarding this very topic
"Oh what a tangled web they weave, when they set out to deceive.
Brentwood, a car is just as lethal as a 9mm. They both can kill you. What was the cop suppose to do? Throw a bean bag at his windshield? Maybe as you suggest, the officer should use tear gas?
Brentwood, are you a senile old man or what? The bad guys are winning the war against our first line of defense ..... the police. Do you know the gangs of Las Vegas outnumber the police? And that there has been 21 people killed in gang related violence in Salinas so far this year?
You better support your local police, they are the ones who will keep your car from being stolen from the likes of this unfortunate man.
Do you have any idea how difficult it is to hit somebody on foot when your car is in park? Seriously... I could park 10 or 100 feet away from you and you could stand in the middle of the street and I'd run out of gas trying to run over you if you chose to avoid me. You wouldn't even break a sweat.
Besides, the body was laying in the street. So how does your denial rationalize that? Just curious.
Wait, let me take a stab at this from your point of view. First shot from the officer was directly into the handle of the vehicle, which released it front a secured position, second shot disengaged his seat belt. The trajectory of the 3 shot opened the door. 4th shot was placed near his head as to scare him out of his vehicle. The 5th shot was a warning shot. When he didn't put his hands up fast enough, the 6th shot went into his leg. When he reached down to grab his leg, the officers believed he was reaching for a weapon and so they fired a 7th shot to disable his arm. When his upper body flew back from being struck by the 6th bullet, the cops took that as a sudden and aggressive move and so they shot him in the head.
Your brillant analysis doesn't mention how the cop was injured.
"You wouldn't even break a sweat." No, actually, I don't think you're the one breaking a sweat being whimsical on your computer in the safety of your home.
The Police stopped a stolen vehicle whose driver could be armed and dangerous - or not. How do you prepare yourself in this highly charged situation? What would you do? Just another routine stop? Ten P.M. at night with poor visability?
Let's see, you have a 4000 lbs car coming at you and you have 2 seconds to decide what your going to do?
Think about it ........ oops you just ran out of time ...... your dead.
Give the Police a break, OK. I'm pretty sure they didn't start out the evening thinking to themselves: "I just gotta shoot somebody tonight"
Oh BTW, you said the "police could have avoided him" may I remind you they were not there to avoid him, they were there to arrest him - which he made impossible.
"Besides, the body was laying in the street. So how does your denial rationalize that? Just curious."
Do you seriously have to ask that, where do you think the paramedics worked on him the front see of the car, no on the ground next to the car. I do not think that sheriff's deputies have the ability to pronounce death, that normally has to be done by a paramedic at least, and even then I think they have to try to revivie someone unless it is obvious there is no chance or a DNR.
cops. Go preach to the boys in blue. Do you know how widespread police corruption is in America, do you even know how it has grown in the last decade?? Didn't think so. I can post hundreds of cases of police corruption and conviction many in our area!!
Don't be so ignorant or naive, educate yourself. If my car is stolen I have insurance.
Intelligence comes with age little ignorant one.. get off that xbox and read some books.. As for [bleep]s in Salinas let then kill each other.
"The most dangerous gang in any city is a corrupt Police Unit" from Brotherhood of Corruption written by one of those you admire so much....
"back East a police academy won't even look at a candidate without a 4yr degree in criminal justice, less rogue cops, more educated"
We have seen BBrentwood use this statement constantly and I have asked him to back it up more than once, he never can or will so I will.
NYPD
Candidates must be at least 21 years of age on or before the day of hire.
Candidates must be a United States citizen on or before the day of hire.
On or before the day of hire, candidates must have successfully completed either:
Sixty (60) college credits with a 2.0 G.P.A. from an accredited college or university, or
Two (2) years of full-time, active military service in the United States Armed Forces with an honorable discharge and have a high school's diploma or its equivalent.
Candidates must reside either within one of the five boroughs of New York City or one of the surrounding counties of New York City; Suffolk, Westchester, Orange, Rockland, Nassau or Putnam Counties on the day of hire.
Candidates must possess a valid, unrestricted New York State Drivers License on the day of hire.
Candidates must pay a $75.00 fee for fingerprinting as part of the investigation process.
Candidates must pass a drug/alcohol screening.
Candidates must pass a character and background investigation.
Boston PD
Candidates must meet the following criteria: be at least 21 years of age as of April, 23, 2007; be younger than 32 as of May 19, 2007, be a U.S. citizen, be able to pass a medial and physical examination prior to appointment and have a high school diploma or MA approved equivalent. and Baltimore PD
Minimum Requirements
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20½ years of age
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Possess a valid driver's license
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United States citizen
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Wear business attire
Well at least they want you to wear a suit, but I did not see anywhere where it says 4 year degree, granted this is a small sample but it is some of the largets cities on the East Coast.
I don't know what happened with the incident in Bay Point but as always my thoughts to the family members, or all involved.
"In other cities officers use non-lethal forces, shotguns with rubber bullets, tear gas, mame the assailant in the arm, leg or midsection.....instead of always killing any person fleeing or confronting an officer...."
Can you provide a reference for this? When I've discussed this in the past with a police officer friend, she says they're trained to shoot to kill, not wound.
With no disrespect to you friend I don't think any department teaches "shoot to kill". Everything I have been taught was "shoot to neutralize the threat." The reason the main target is the torso is that it is the largest part of the body and therefore easier to hit in a stressful situation. Also there is a greater chance of causing the shock (both physical and mental) to stop the subject. I'm not saying that nobody dies after being shot in the torso but it is not a premeditated out come.
I made the mistake on another post and used the shoot to kill comment. It is a term that the instructors used to make the point that this is not a John Wayne movie, you're not going to shoot someone in the arm or hand or leg, if you are going to fire your weapon, you have made the discision that you or someone else is in danger of being killed or receive great bodily harm. You are taught to shoot at the largest part of the body, i.e. the torso and the outcome of your discision could be the death of the person you shot, so you better make d a m n sure before you fire your weapon. The term is more to deter than promote that act.
This term was used when I went through 30 odd years ago and I don't know if it still being used.
My response was to waffle. I went thru the academy about the same time and it was never "shoot to kill" but shoot to disable, knowing that death may be the unintended outcome.
Fair enough, it's not exactly "shoot to kill", it's more like "shoot to stop, but in all likelihood the person will either be dead or suffer life long health issues from massive injuries to their abdomen."
""We are dealing with nothing but crooked police in the community, just think this could have been your son, husband,brother or cousin.""
No, we're talking about a dead thug! What part of "IT WASN'T HIS CAR can't you understand ?!?!?!.
What part of "ASSAULTING A PEACE OFFICER" can't you understand !?!?!
And...it would never have been MY son, husband, brother or cousin because we, unlike you, were brought up with rules and manners, respect and beliefs that what belongs to someone else IS NOT YOURS! If you do something illegal or criminal or deleterious (look it up if you can use a dictionary) to another person, YOU HAVE TO SUFFER THE CONSEQUENCES.
Sorry for your loss, but evidently you can't grasp the truth........your cousin started it, cops finished it. Good work.
"I never knew you could get killed by being in a "stolen car"
That's pretty naive of you Amanda. If you choose the criminal lifestyle and choose to confront or threaten the police, the consequences can escalate to lethal very quickly.
BTW, I am concerned about the injured police officer.
And I'm sure this was the first time your relative was involved in a crime against other people.
He was the master of his own destiny. He chose the wrong path and paid for it. I have no sympathy for criminals. But I feel for his family.
Bbrentwood, I have seen your posts on many Police news articles and I have to say, you always have me shaking my head after reading.Please, if you post things like the East coast only looks at people with 4 year degrees, please point us to something that shows this because I don’t believe a word of it.Weren’t you the one on another article saying that the Police have black helicopters and are flying over our neighborhoods spying on us or something to that avail?
“Even perps with loaded guns are handled differently in other cities and parts of the country”. Ummmm no their not.If any Police officer in any city thinks he is about to be shot, stabbed or run over with a car, he is going to shoot you.Period!
“In other cities officers use non-lethal forces, shotguns with rubber bullets, tear gas, mame the assailant in the arm, leg or midsection.....instead of always killing any person fleeing or confronting an officer”.
The Sheriff’s department also has less than lethal shotguns but they can only be used if there is time to go to the car and get it.I’m guessing in this situation they had no time as the situation started off ok then went south in a matter of seconds.This is typical of most Officer involved shooting situations.
Amanda, I am sorry about your cousin.I didn’t know him so I’m not even going to try to speak to what type of person he was.However, he made a bad decision.You say he didn’t try to run them over.Well he did something!Police deal with stolen cars every day of every year and they are not shooting all of them so I’m guessing he did something.Not to mention a Deputy was hurt in the process.How do you account for that?Also it doesn’t matter how many shots they took.Police are not trained to kill; they are trained to stop the threat.If 17 shots is what it took to stop that car then 17 shots it is.
It’s very simple, point a gun at an Officer, try to stab an Officer or drive your car at an Officer and you will be shot.Don’t do these things and we all won’t be on here talking about it.It’s called common sense.
better understand the reality of how or why this young man was shot dead incident to stealing a car. The Penal Code does allow under the law for a police officer to shoot a fleeing Felon. Now does that mean it is done routinely, no.......because the community and the courts over the years have deemed that shooting a fleeing felon over a PROPERTY crime is not morally acceptable to the community. However when the issue of potential serious injury or death is part of the equation then law enforcement is expected to respond accordingly.
if my son, brother, cousin, friend, sister, stole a car, id turn them in... if they tried to run over an officer, and they were killed, that is on my family member who broke the law and made a P-I-(S--S) poor chioce.
i would be pissed, i would want to hear from the deputies and what happened. thats it for me. but to call them crooked, to call them killers.... unless there was hard core proof of that happeneing.... LEO's get my support 110%...
now imagine coming to work, 5-6 days a week 10-12hours a day, to a job where you deal with crack heads. Adam Hennrys, Wife beaters, child molester, car accidents, shootings, etc.. and on top of that trying to help and save people, BUT yet the people you are trying to help, shoot at you, try to run you over, etc....
these Deputies, Officers, choice to come to work is their chioce. they want to come to this job, and try to make a difference. they dont have to do it, the $$$ is not great and well the conditions down right suck.
a loss of anykind no matter how it happens, its traggic. but to call these Deps killers you best have proof of that.
It is sad when anyone has a freind or family member pass away. Nothing can change that. However, blaming the deputies is not the answer. Why, well, he wasn't giving up with the car parked and his hands out the window. I heard the entire incident on the scanner. They called in the stolen car. Then one of the deputies radioed that the stolen car was ramming other cars attempting to get away. In the background, you could hear tires spinning and metal crunching over the deputies radio. About five seconds later, the deputy called in saying shots fired and requesting code 3 cover (that's emergency response from other officers).
Regarding the subject being on the ground outside the car, maybe the deputies pulled him out to try and stop the bleeding. Like the deputyin Danville who tried to administer first aid, according to a neighbor at the scene of the shooting. Many ot the police officers I know hope that they never have to pull their gun and use it. But, if the situation calls for the use of deadly force, the suspect is the one who decides that it's going that direction.
If we make our beds, we must lay in them. If you choose and loose, don't blame others.
I know all of you anti-police will love to disagree, but, I'm just tellin it like it is. God bless the deputies and pray for the family that lost one of their loved ones.
To all who are trying to justify the sherrif's actions. You will never get through to these shore acres low lifes. Thats why it will always be a piece of [bleep] community. Becuase these people that defend the actions of people like Tommy. Its sad that he is dead and I feel for the family, But as much as i cant stand the coco county sherrifs, I have to side with 'em on this one.
WANTED PAROLEE! For those of you who complain about ALWAYS having to deal with the Corupt Cops, NEWSFLASH!!!!! Most people only have to call the police when they are victims. The 1 or 2% of you who spend your time constantly dealing with the police have a name, "CRIMINALS". I'm glad the Deputies are all going to be okay. As for the idiot who thought it was ok to STEAL someones car and then use it as a Weapon against the Deputies, I don't have to say anything because you got what you DESERVED!!!!
I don't feel sorry for anyone, my family or yours who go out and take things that don't belong to them, put other peoples lives in danger and even intentionally try to hurt the men and women who protect us.
You are responsible for the choices you make in life, especially those that may effect your untimely death!!!!!
There is an element of thugs in our society. Mostly in our inner cities but elsewhere as well. They have NO regard for your property of life in general until they end up running into the police. They will marh in support of criminals. They will beat up your children, steal your car, even kill their own and always blame others. There is no reasoning, no logic. This is life in the hood and today there is no hope. Your best path is to stay away from theirs and keep them away from your neighborhood by fighting section 8 and demanding tough penalties for convicts. There is a bit of a culture war going on and right now it is getting worse not better.
Couple of things you might want to take a look at:
1) "hood" is short for neighborhood
2) The person that died was not on section 8 as far as anyone knows, but grew up in shore acres and lived there for most of his life.
3) I have no clue as what a "marh" is but assume you mean march.
4) I guess the dope dealers at SRVHS aren't thugs in your mind, just misunderstood. They are the ones that daddy gets out of juvey.
West Pittsburg, Bay Point is not as bad a most people think, yes, they their problems because of the afforablity of housing, but for the most part they are hard working people. Like other cities they have their problems, even your great Daniville.
I have no clue as what a "Daniville" is but assume you mean "Danville."
Don't be so quick to correct what is obviously a slip or miss of the finger as opposed to the lack of spelling knowledge. You knew what Tom925 meant as did everyone else. It happens to everyone, including YOU obviously.
Yes, it was you're right, It meant to be Dandiville.
This was addressed to Tom925, because of his jumping on any tread and making racist, and elitist comments. This has been going on for a long time. . I'm sorry if anyone else took it wrong, we all make spelling mistakes.
And Tom, you are what is under a pony's tail and all you spew is what comes out of it.
The real issue is typographical errors not the actual content. SRVHS kids are not thugs because they do not commit violent crime. Are there drugs at SRVHS? Yes, of course there are. Are they misunderstood? No, they are braking the law but this crime is in no way the same as the crimes in Richmond and Oakland or even Antioch now. Have you seen the test scores at SRVHS? This tells you much about what is and is not going on in this community. We here in Danville have had one homicide that I am aware of this year. Can you guess who the perp was? A kid from Oakland living in a group home in Danville. So again, thank you Oakland. Oh and we had one other Danville resident killed this year. It was a cop killed in Oakland by Mr. Mixon, who had people in Oakland march in support of him. What a world we live in.........
I know in the PC world where we are all the same where putting your head in the sand is called enlightened. The statistical facts do not lie. Do you argue this point?
At least I show respect for you to address you by the correct posting name, you in turn refer to to me Tool, Tooless, and others in the pass. As someone who has worked with statisics most of my life, I can make them show what ever you want. Most people, including you, will only use the parts of the stats that relate to proving your point. You used the scores of SRVHS to prove this, now what is the make up of that school? What percentage of the student body is on free or reduced lunches? What is the education level of the parents? What is the income of the parents? I can go on, but you will never get the point.
They shot the guy who called 911?
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Capt. Daniel Terry said. Investigators later learned it was McComb himself who made the 911 call summoning deputies to his home, in which they also found a suicide note.
Looks like you answered it in your own post, norcali. Suicide by cop and cop goes home to his loving family instead of being sliced up like sashimi by a suicidal lunatic. Nice job Deputy Aranda and thank you for protecting my city.
I am not taking either side - I was criticized for my initial comments, but I want to know the facts about these things. If LE was in the right, then where is the suicide note (who else saw it), did they have to shoot him - what evidence supports this, and so on. I will keep an eye open to see what else develops.
You might also be surprised to know that MOST suicide victims, be their suicides be by their own hands or "suicide by cop", do NOT leave suicide notes.
Posted on Wednesday, 9/23/2009 - 11:10 p.m. PDT — by opinionated
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My prayers to all involved.
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Good for the deputies who shot that idiot, thanks for your service guys! Hope the deputy's leg heals quickly!
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what to the warning shoot or inocent to proven guilty, lets see the drug toxocology of deputies. what shoot first then ask questions.
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What are you trying to say? Warning shots? No, warning shots are for television and Hollywood. What's there to see about the toxocology reports for the deputies? Unless there's a mix-up between the deceased and the deputies.
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You know he was a human being just like you and me!!!!!!! I think mabey one to the knee cap would have been better than 10 the head. And he didn't even have a gun. There other more serious situation out there, like child molester or REAL BAD GUYS!!!!!!!!!! That mabey they should been delt with like this, or NOT!!!!!! But what planet do you come from IDOIT, ya we know who the real idiot is!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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No he wasn't a human being like me. I don't prey on the weak, steal their property, run from the police endangering the rest of civilization and then run over officers. So no, he wasn't a human being like me.
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What do you mean he preyed on the weak, if he did it would of been your car he was in. What do you suffer from teenie weenie syndrome too!!!!!! And he didn't run a police officer. And we all know he had more heart than you had(Somethimg that you don't know) AND was MORE OF A HUMAN BEING THAN YOU EVER WERE!!!!!!!!!!!!! It's judemental people like you!!!! That the WORLD is they it is!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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ok so the pic he load on his myspace page of him holding a gun was what a toy gun????? yes he was a person, a father, a son, and a husband. and its a loss for his kids, i feel for them, BUT... the point is, he is a criminal. he broke the law, commited home many felonies that night and tried to kill/run over a person, a DEPUTY!... so, his choices, his mistakes will now cost him his life, a father for his children.
you ever had a 6,000lb vehicle comming your way????? but on the other hand you dont have the life skill to know wht to do if that were to happen....
heart has nothing to do with brains.. come on now. pics of guns, marijuana plants/, gang tats. etc, if it looks like then it must be. if he was a good person, then none of that stuff would be posted, he would have been home, not VIOLATING his PAROLE. with his kids, his family.
i dont think the chapter prez authorizied what he did, and if he did, then well thats why the bad name is out there.
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They changed the pix on his myspace, no more guns or marijuana plants. Too late, we already know what kind of person he was whether or not we saw his myspace. He was a career criminal. That means what he did for his job was criminal activity. It is sad for his kids that their father chose to be the way he was. That is the true loss here. These poor kids have been victims of his behaviour. Still in his death they are the victims. They probably blot out all the terrible things he's done and only know what they here. It's the cops fault, not your father made some really bad choices in his life. I hate to say it, but maybe they are better off without a father that is in and out of jail. Maybe now they will have some peace for awhile, that is until the mother hooks up with another criminal.
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What do you suffer from teenie weenie syndrome too!!!!!! And we all know he had more heart than you had(Somethimg that you don't know) AND was MORE OF A HUMAN BEING THAN YOU EVER WERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm the judgemental one? Uh huh.
No, I'm just not a thief who runs from the police. I'm a productive member of society, not a draw on society.
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"One to the knee cap?" How do you do that exactly when your friend is IN a car violently maneuvering to escape? Do Shoagland's friends and family just make this crap up as they try to explain his behavior?
"He didn't even have a gun?" No, he had a 4000 lbs car he was recklessly driving which can be just as effective as a gun in destroying another human being.
As you all try to explain away Shoagland's behavior as "not a big deal" and the police are evil, I can only suspect that you all are cut from the same cloth.
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so if you wear a badge and you make up the rules. go to school learn the ropes than all of a sudden you have the right to be dirtier then the dirtiest bum on all kinds of drugs....how much does a badge to destroy your kind cost. we all have a heart and bleed and have families that grieve when we leave so as happy as you may seem give it time it comes back around harder and faster than you could believe and one day you will feel me or something
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police protection is overrated i hope all you crooked cops get what you put in while that stupid car was stolen with full intentions of being dropped by morning there were probably a couple home invasions or some parents beating thier children or some creepy step-dad molesting a baby why dont you guys stop and help if me and my kids are broke down stranded or i ran out of gas.maybe if i was being harrassed you would think the police gave a rats [bleep] nope but known criminals have'nt a chance they're labeled and grudges grow and they dont grow old they grow strong before you know it your gone ...everyone has no choice but to move on ..crime prevention is a lost cause blame yourself first than you can point fingers
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Your comments tell us alot about who you are. Crime isn't a big deal to you, why? Because it's your lifestlye too?
"full intentions of being dropped..." What the hell does that mean? Is that your lame excuse for your friend's life choices? Not a big deal? I DON'T AGREE.
You attack the Police in general berating their service to the community and instead glorify a thief and criminal. Yes, we know where you are coming from.
"Crime prevention is a lost cause" If it is, it's because people like you make it so.
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Ditto
read this and thought
why dont you guys stop and help if me and my kids are broke down stranded or i ran out of gas.maybe if i was being harrassed
Huh? They do stop and help. Has this poster ever driven on the freeway? Or driven at all in a car and looked at people being helped by the side of the road?
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If someone is ramming a police car, that person is using their car as a deadly weapon and will be dealt with accordingly. It's easy to sit on your [bleep] behind your computer and make up reasons why the police are at fault here. Put your third world emotions to rest for a moment and you may (if you have any logic whatsoever) realize that the police are not always at fault, and did what they had to do to protect themselves. If you think the thugs will prevail then you are wrong my friend. There is a silent majority that will step in and take care of business when the time comes. You and your side are the reason these kind of events take place. Take some personal responsibility and quit trying to get everything for free. Get skilled, get a job, and buy a car. No need to steal or drive a stolen car. If you do you may be caught and bad things will happen if you try to ram a person with a gun. Step up and be responsible and quit your whining!
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" realize that the police are not always at fault, and did what they had to do to protect themselves"
they shot him 5-8 times
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"they shot him 5-8 times"
First off, where does the "5-8" number come from? It's not in the article.
Second, when a person is under attack and their adrenaline is pumping, they will fire their gun multiple times. It's normal, and not an indication of excessive force. You have a very small amount of time to try to assess whether your first shot even hit the attacker, and if it did whether it will stop them. The most appropriate and safest thing for you to do is to keep shooting until the attacker stops.
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I heard the gun shots while sitting in my living room. It's funny how the people who make the most noise weren't even there.
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Hearing gunshots doesn't give you special insight to what happened. You may have heard gunshots, but you do not know how many struck the driver.
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Chewy, just stfu and stop broadcasting your stupidity. You're one of those special few who can live in complete denial of the truth. Come to think of it, you should join the police force.
You asked where the number 5-8 came from and she told you. Eight year olds don't miss a man sized target at 20-30 feet so I imagine that a trained officer landed most, if not all, of those 5-8 shots.
Being there does give you some insight. Why don't you go polish your Obama bumper sticker.
In fact, anybody who's been keeping up with the news is probably thinking to themselves around now, this cop-out story about "he tried to ram me with his car so I shot him with more bullets than a revolver can hold." is getting very old and played out. But lucky you, you can hear that story a thousand times and it will satisfy you every time.
Did you even finish reading this article? Particularly the part about the guy who called the police for help and when they showed up they murdered him because they thought he was threatening them with the knife he didn't really want to kill himsel
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Ok, civility is trashed.
Oh thats right, you're the "curious" fellow "who just wants to know." Well I thought you already knew, since you described the crime scene details so well. Eye witness are you?
"You asked where the number 5-8 came from and she told you"
Ok, lets talk stupid. The witness said she "heard" 5 to 8 shots while in her living room ...... not that she "saw" the scene of 5 to 8 shots being fired by the Police. Remember that part, Brainiac? She was not a significant witness.
"so I imagine that a trained officer landed most," You know what bugs me most - nimrod ..... "You imagine"?
So your imaginings are more credible than others? How is that so; you got special powers?
And what does an Obama bumper sticker have to do with this incident? You seem to be all over the place. You having trouble staying focus on the matter at hand?
Listen, you have such an obvious built-in bias against the police you have lost your credibility with me and any fair minded person and can not talk objectively about this matter.
You were not there and do not know all the evidense, but you judged the police guilty of misconduct because your "imagine" tells you so. That ain't good enough.
I will defend the police action because they were apprehending a career criminal in a stolen automobile - and until any misconduct charge is given to these officers - I will most definitely give them the benefit of the doubt - you putz.
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This guy is not worth debating as he is a thug.
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Are DB Cooper and his ilk really that ignorant or are they just Troll(ing) for reactions?
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Shoreshakers. Enough with the bad rap lyrics.
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You are exactly the voice that needs to be heard. So many people walk around with the idea that we are all the same inside. You have done a great job of proving what I already knew to be true. There are thugs among us. You are one of them or sympathize with them. People need to understand what the cops have to deal with in the hood.
When people take a good look at our inner cities and what life is really like there they would be shocked. It is violent, ugly and has no hope or change going on right now.
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call a friend, call a taxi, take the bus or walk. Don't steal a car, ram a police car, get shot and die... We all have hardships, we all make choices.
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"that stupid car was stolen with full intentions of being dropped by morning"
Shoreshakers.....that was a great statement. As a matter of fact, he probably only 'borrowed' the car because he had full intentions of dropping it off in the morning. Who cares that the car was SOMEONE ELSE'S!!!! Don't steal cars, don't run from the police, and don't try to ram deputies....
Regardless of how/why it happened, I'm sorry for all the families involved.
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Do you guys not understand that my family has lost someone?
Everyone on here is talking bad about someone who got killed, killed by police that people say "we can trust" there was no reason to shoot and kill my cousin. The police lied and said that he had a gun but it's funny how the investigators found no gun in his possesion but there are still people saying good for the police. The Sheriffs have taken away someone that was very close to me and all everyone is worried about it the officer who got injured. Who cares, he still has his family and his life.
We are dealing with nothing but crooked police in the community, just think this could have been your son, husband,brother or cousin.
I never knew you could get killed by being in a "stolen car" thought you just went to jail for that? Guess not.
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Sorry to hear that he was family, but he could have just given up, even if he was scared, with the police, if you do something stupid like try to run them over, there is a very big possibility that they will shot at you. Your cousin had a choice, give up, or try to run, obviously he made the wrong choice. Weather he had a gun or not, you can't just run people over. How would you have felt if he was the one to kill someone? Would you back him up then too? If he gave up then he could have gone to jail, for a few days, then have court date.
The situation is a sad one. People make poor choices that end up costing their lives. Don't get me wrong, I don't support all police activity, but I do understand where they are coming from. If I had a gun, and someone was coming at me with a car, I would shoot too.
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He acctually never tried to run someone over or ram the police car. There are witnesses. It will be delt with.
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Thank you to the people that acctualy have a heart and a soul for your thoughts over our familys loss. We very much appriciate them.
But to these cold hearted people that have no idea what happened in this incident there will be more investigations to show that excessive force was used when he was stopped and asked to put his hands out the window and he complied. With his hands empty and him giving up and without a blink of an eye 17 shots rang out in the town of Bay Point.
People do the wrong things sometimes but does this mean 17 shots to kill someone for stealing a car? If this is what you think is standand procedure maybe YOU have the problem. Obviously you're not educated enough to understand hurt and loss. If this ever happens in YOUR family or something maybe you can reflect on what you stated here and not be such a vial person with no feeling or soul for family members with our painful loss.
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I would urge you and your family to enlist the help of the attorney over in Oakland that deals specifically with Police corruption, Police Abuse and wrongfull death lawsuits.
Disregard the morons on the internet. Focus on grieving and getting justice for your cousin. Call the tv stations too, to have your cousins side of the story told to the public...
Hope this helps. Find solace with your family and religion, and "justice with an attorney". If you feel the Sherrifs dept is covering up wrongdoing and are getting no answers call the local FBI office in Concord or Oakland and speak with a Special Agent to discuss the particulars, witnesses etc..
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Funny, you don't have a single word of concern for the deputy who was injured.
You weren't there Brentwood! But somehow you have managed to discern all the details of this incident, and come to a conclusion. The car thief was grievously wronged - and the Police are guilty.
Do you follow the logic Brentwood? Or is that too much for you?
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sort, you HAVE to know that people that make posts with themes of this sort have a "personal" agenda! Now what that agenda might be, I have no idea but I'm sure your imagination can come up with some pretty credible reasons, if you get my drift!!
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I was just reading the thief is a 34 year old man who has a history of auto theft. He is apparently a career criminal who wanted to see who blinked first in a confrontation with deputies.
Our dear Brentwood is one of the fringe. He mentions God and lawsuits in the same sentence. Apparently he dislikes Police services, but will be the first to call 911 if something goes wrong.
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In your profile Tmacco you are a 63 year old racing street rodder employed in Transportation/Logistics??
I hope you find yourself speeding towards a rookie cop who is compelled to use lethal force to stop your law breaking traffic violations before you kill an innocent motorists.
The people who claim to be the most righteous are always the worst hypocrites.
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but try this on for size. If what you read makes pretty good sense to you (if you are reasonably intelligent, that is) it is probably factual and true, if it doesn't it probably is fiction or a lie. So now let's try it on for size! Do you really think that a 63yr old man would involve himself in the action you described in your ridiculous post?
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You weren't there either Chewy.. you weren't even in your living room 4 houses away when the gun shots rang out.
Did you see this young mans body layed out riddled with gunshot wounds? No, you did not! Did you see his child crying while she was looking at her dead father laying in the street with blood oozing out of his lifeless body? No, you did not!
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this is from his myspace... whats that in his hand... dont look like a water gun to me.... so dont tell me he was a good father... if he was, he would post things like that for all to see, he would not bringthat stuff around his child.... and he would not have made tose poor decessions. i feel for his child... she didnt ask for that, no she didnt, but he brought it on himself.
funny thing is, all the thugs, crack heads and criminals.... still post their crimes online... and wonder why they get caught and wonder why thier law suits dont go anywhere...
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DWMT- logic from a four liner texter go figure...hmmm Chew on that tabacco for a while
"Oh what a tangled web they weave, when they set out to deceive."
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"Hope this helps. Find solace with your family and religion, and "justice with an attorney"."
Brentwood: YOU are everything that is wrong with this country. instead of using logic and common sense...hire an attorney and sue.
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I would bet BBrentwood has a criminal record himself.In my opinion anyone that has his feelings for law enforcement is surley on the wrong side of it.
What a tangled web he weaves when he is out to deceive!!
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This would never happen in my family because my family doesn't steal cars. When you live a life of crime, you put yourself at risk. Perhaps your cousin would still be alive if you weren't so accepting of grand theft.
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Amanda, stealing the car wasn't the issue. Why can't you understand that? The issue is, your cousin turned the car into a weapon in an attempt to escape.
He had already crash the car into another vehicle in his desperation. And still wasn't giving up.
He was still dangerously manruvering his car when the police tried to stop him.
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just who are these alleged witnesses? Other street thugs??? Bay Point is FULL of ex-cons, parolees and just plain old garden variety "scumbags"!!! I worked both beats in "gunpoint" for years and I'll tell you this, it has always had the reputation of being "out of control" It used to be called "Dodge City" by the old timers from the 60's and 70's and I'm sure it hasn't changed that much!!
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Typical profiling pig.
You talk about dodge city and gun point but look how backwards you have it. It's the cops who drew their sidearms and murdered this guy for stealing a car. Even in dodge city I think you were considered a coward if you shot someone who didn't draw a sidearm on you, or was about to. You and I both have a pretty good idea that he was just trying to get away and not out to run over and kill any cop. There's an enormous difference between a thief and a murderer. And only in dodge city were horse thieves executed.
So what we're left with is a public execution in the streets for theft. Is this your concept of justice?
Here's a profile for you. Go back to your pub and get completely smashed. Drive home and slap your old lady around a bit before you pass out half dressed, wake up a with a hangover, strap on your sidearm and go make crucial decisions that affect other people's lives forever.
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I got you profiled very well.
Oh, you got a ton of fluffy rhetoric to say, but nothing important. I agree, he didn't intend to kill - he just wanted to get away. But if he runs over someone in the attempt to escape the results are still the same. Or you disagree with that?
He ran his car into someone's truck on Marina while trying to flee. I'm sure he didn't intend to do that either. But the results still the same, numbnuts.
In Oakland a couple of weeks ago. Another speeder trying to avoid the police, like your friend did - ran a stop sign and killed an innocent woman in the intersection.
I rather have the police shoot all you bastards rather than having an innocent killed in a vain attempt to "just get away."
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If yiu steal a car you might get shot dead when you try to run over a cop. You might get shot and killed after you kill a gang member from a rival gang. We dont really care how many of each other you kill but when yoiu bring your insane behavior outside of your "hood" dont be surprised when we the law abiding people "snitch" on you. The day you show regard for the lives of others is the day we will care about you. Until then please feel free to continue to kill each other because that is one one thing you seem to be good at. ps by the time you read this you will have killed yet again. Have a nice weekend thugs.
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In other cities officers use non-lethal forces, shotguns with rubber bullets, tear gas, mame the assailant in the arm, leg or midsection.....instead of always killing any person fleeing or confronting an officer....
Even perps with loaded guns are handled differently in other cities and parts of the country.... then again back East a police academy won't even look at a candidate without a 4yr degree in criminal justice, less rogue cops, more educated and multiple periodic reviews The Wild Corrupt West seems to prevail in so many law enforcement agencies in CA.
There will be a study out soon........regarding this very topic
"Oh what a tangled web they weave, when they set out to deceive.
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Brentwood, a car is just as lethal as a 9mm. They both can kill you. What was the cop suppose to do? Throw a bean bag at his windshield? Maybe as you suggest, the officer should use tear gas?
Brentwood, are you a senile old man or what? The bad guys are winning the war against our first line of defense ..... the police. Do you know the gangs of Las Vegas outnumber the police? And that there has been 21 people killed in gang related violence in Salinas so far this year?
You better support your local police, they are the ones who will keep your car from being stolen from the likes of this unfortunate man.
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Do you have any idea how difficult it is to hit somebody on foot when your car is in park? Seriously... I could park 10 or 100 feet away from you and you could stand in the middle of the street and I'd run out of gas trying to run over you if you chose to avoid me. You wouldn't even break a sweat.
Besides, the body was laying in the street. So how does your denial rationalize that? Just curious.
Wait, let me take a stab at this from your point of view. First shot from the officer was directly into the handle of the vehicle, which released it front a secured position, second shot disengaged his seat belt. The trajectory of the 3 shot opened the door. 4th shot was placed near his head as to scare him out of his vehicle. The 5th shot was a warning shot. When he didn't put his hands up fast enough, the 6th shot went into his leg. When he reached down to grab his leg, the officers believed he was reaching for a weapon and so they fired a 7th shot to disable his arm. When his upper body flew back from being struck by the 6th bullet, the cops took that as a sudden and aggressive move and so they shot him in the head.
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Your brillant analysis doesn't mention how the cop was injured.
"You wouldn't even break a sweat." No, actually, I don't think you're the one breaking a sweat being whimsical on your computer in the safety of your home.
The Police stopped a stolen vehicle whose driver could be armed and dangerous - or not. How do you prepare yourself in this highly charged situation? What would you do? Just another routine stop? Ten P.M. at night with poor visability?
Let's see, you have a 4000 lbs car coming at you and you have 2 seconds to decide what your going to do? Think about it ........ oops you just ran out of time ...... your dead.
Give the Police a break, OK. I'm pretty sure they didn't start out the evening thinking to themselves: "I just gotta shoot somebody tonight"
Oh BTW, you said the "police could have avoided him" may I remind you they were not there to avoid him, they were there to arrest him - which he made impossible.
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"Besides, the body was laying in the street. So how does your denial rationalize that? Just curious."
Do you seriously have to ask that, where do you think the paramedics worked on him the front see of the car, no on the ground next to the car. I do not think that sheriff's deputies have the ability to pronounce death, that normally has to be done by a paramedic at least, and even then I think they have to try to revivie someone unless it is obvious there is no chance or a DNR.
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cops. Go preach to the boys in blue. Do you know how widespread police corruption is in America, do you even know how it has grown in the last decade?? Didn't think so. I can post hundreds of cases of police corruption and conviction many in our area!!
Don't be so ignorant or naive, educate yourself. If my car is stolen I have insurance.
Intelligence comes with age little ignorant one.. get off that xbox and read some books.. As for [bleep]s in Salinas let then kill each other.
"The most dangerous gang in any city is a corrupt Police Unit" from Brotherhood of Corruption written by one of those you admire so much....
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"back East a police academy won't even look at a candidate without a 4yr degree in criminal justice, less rogue cops, more educated"
We have seen BBrentwood use this statement constantly and I have asked him to back it up more than once, he never can or will so I will.
NYPD
Boston PD
Candidates must meet the following criteria: be at least 21 years of age as of April, 23, 2007; be younger than 32 as of May 19, 2007, be a U.S. citizen, be able to pass a medial and physical examination prior to appointment and have a high school diploma or MA approved equivalent.
and Baltimore PD
Minimum Requirements
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20½ years of age
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Possess a valid driver's license
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United States citizen
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Wear business attire
Well at least they want you to wear a suit, but I did not see anywhere where it says 4 year degree, granted this is a small sample but it is some of the largets cities on the East Coast.
I don't know what happened with the incident in Bay Point but as always my thoughts to the family members, or all involved.
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"In other cities officers use non-lethal forces, shotguns with rubber bullets, tear gas, mame the assailant in the arm, leg or midsection.....instead of always killing any person fleeing or confronting an officer...."
Can you provide a reference for this? When I've discussed this in the past with a police officer friend, she says they're trained to shoot to kill, not wound.
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With no disrespect to you friend I don't think any department teaches "shoot to kill". Everything I have been taught was "shoot to neutralize the threat." The reason the main target is the torso is that it is the largest part of the body and therefore easier to hit in a stressful situation. Also there is a greater chance of causing the shock (both physical and mental) to stop the subject. I'm not saying that nobody dies after being shot in the torso but it is not a premeditated out come.
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cowboy,
I made the mistake on another post and used the shoot to kill comment. It is a term that the instructors used to make the point that this is not a John Wayne movie, you're not going to shoot someone in the arm or hand or leg, if you are going to fire your weapon, you have made the discision that you or someone else is in danger of being killed or receive great bodily harm. You are taught to shoot at the largest part of the body, i.e. the torso and the outcome of your discision could be the death of the person you shot, so you better make d a m n sure before you fire your weapon. The term is more to deter than promote that act.
This term was used when I went through 30 odd years ago and I don't know if it still being used.
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My response was to waffle. I went thru the academy about the same time and it was never "shoot to kill" but shoot to disable, knowing that death may be the unintended outcome.
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Fair enough, it's not exactly "shoot to kill", it's more like "shoot to stop, but in all likelihood the person will either be dead or suffer life long health issues from massive injuries to their abdomen."
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the symantics debate is amusing at the least
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Go research it yourself, you might enlighten yourself and even learn something. The text generation.....God help us...
"Oh what a tangled web they weave, when they set out to deceive.
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""We are dealing with nothing but crooked police in the community, just think this could have been your son, husband,brother or cousin.""
No, we're talking about a dead thug! What part of "IT WASN'T HIS CAR can't you understand ?!?!?!. What part of "ASSAULTING A PEACE OFFICER" can't you understand !?!?!
And...it would never have been MY son, husband, brother or cousin because we, unlike you, were brought up with rules and manners, respect and beliefs that what belongs to someone else IS NOT YOURS! If you do something illegal or criminal or deleterious (look it up if you can use a dictionary) to another person, YOU HAVE TO SUFFER THE CONSEQUENCES.
Sorry for your loss, but evidently you can't grasp the truth........your cousin started it, cops finished it. Good work.
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"I never knew you could get killed by being in a "stolen car"
That's pretty naive of you Amanda. If you choose the criminal lifestyle and choose to confront or threaten the police, the consequences can escalate to lethal very quickly.
BTW, I am concerned about the injured police officer.
And I'm sure this was the first time your relative was involved in a crime against other people.
He was the master of his own destiny. He chose the wrong path and paid for it. I have no sympathy for criminals. But I feel for his family.
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Bbrentwood, I have seen your posts on many Police news articles and I have to say, you always have me shaking my head after reading. Please, if you post things like the East coast only looks at people with 4 year degrees, please point us to something that shows this because I don’t believe a word of it. Weren’t you the one on another article saying that the Police have black helicopters and are flying over our neighborhoods spying on us or something to that avail?
“Even perps with loaded guns are handled differently in other cities and parts of the country”. Ummmm no their not. If any Police officer in any city thinks he is about to be shot, stabbed or run over with a car, he is going to shoot you. Period!
“In other cities officers use non-lethal forces, shotguns with rubber bullets, tear gas, mame the assailant in the arm, leg or midsection.....instead of always killing any person fleeing or confronting an officer”.
The Sheriff’s department also has less than lethal shotguns but they can only be used if there is time to go to the car and get it. I’m guessing in this situation they had no time as the situation started off ok then went south in a matter of seconds. This is typical of most Officer involved shooting situations.
Amanda, I am sorry about your cousin. I didn’t know him so I’m not even going to try to speak to what type of person he was. However, he made a bad decision. You say he didn’t try to run them over. Well he did something! Police deal with stolen cars every day of every year and they are not shooting all of them so I’m guessing he did something. Not to mention a Deputy was hurt in the process. How do you account for that? Also it doesn’t matter how many shots they took. Police are not trained to kill; they are trained to stop the threat. If 17 shots is what it took to stop that car then 17 shots it is.
It’s very simple, point a gun at an Officer, try to stab an Officer or drive your car at an Officer and you will be shot. Don’t do these things and we all won’t be on here talking about it. It’s called common sense.
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better understand the reality of how or why this young man was shot dead incident to stealing a car. The Penal Code does allow under the law for a police officer to shoot a fleeing Felon. Now does that mean it is done routinely, no.......because the community and the courts over the years have deemed that shooting a fleeing felon over a PROPERTY crime is not morally acceptable to the community. However when the issue of potential serious injury or death is part of the equation then law enforcement is expected to respond accordingly.
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if my son, brother, cousin, friend, sister, stole a car, id turn them in... if they tried to run over an officer, and they were killed, that is on my family member who broke the law and made a P-I-(S--S) poor chioce.
i would be pissed, i would want to hear from the deputies and what happened. thats it for me. but to call them crooked, to call them killers.... unless there was hard core proof of that happeneing.... LEO's get my support 110%...
now imagine coming to work, 5-6 days a week 10-12hours a day, to a job where you deal with crack heads. Adam Hennrys, Wife beaters, child molester, car accidents, shootings, etc.. and on top of that trying to help and save people, BUT yet the people you are trying to help, shoot at you, try to run you over, etc....
these Deputies, Officers, choice to come to work is their chioce. they want to come to this job, and try to make a difference. they dont have to do it, the $$$ is not great and well the conditions down right suck.
a loss of anykind no matter how it happens, its traggic. but to call these Deps killers you best have proof of that.
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dont do the crime.
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says it all.....
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sounds like a coco county boy to me....
must be like a family business.... if it looks like it. thats what it is. right?
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not a coco boy.... but looks are what they are...
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It is sad when anyone has a freind or family member pass away. Nothing can change that. However, blaming the deputies is not the answer. Why, well, he wasn't giving up with the car parked and his hands out the window. I heard the entire incident on the scanner. They called in the stolen car. Then one of the deputies radioed that the stolen car was ramming other cars attempting to get away. In the background, you could hear tires spinning and metal crunching over the deputies radio. About five seconds later, the deputy called in saying shots fired and requesting code 3 cover (that's emergency response from other officers).
Regarding the subject being on the ground outside the car, maybe the deputies pulled him out to try and stop the bleeding. Like the deputyin Danville who tried to administer first aid, according to a neighbor at the scene of the shooting. Many ot the police officers I know hope that they never have to pull their gun and use it. But, if the situation calls for the use of deadly force, the suspect is the one who decides that it's going that direction.
If we make our beds, we must lay in them. If you choose and loose, don't blame others.
I know all of you anti-police will love to disagree, but, I'm just tellin it like it is. God bless the deputies and pray for the family that lost one of their loved ones.
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To all who are trying to justify the sherrif's actions. You will never get through to these shore acres low lifes. Thats why it will always be a piece of [bleep] community. Becuase these people that defend the actions of people like Tommy. Its sad that he is dead and I feel for the family, But as much as i cant stand the coco county sherrifs, I have to side with 'em on this one.
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WANTED PAROLEE! For those of you who complain about ALWAYS having to deal with the Corupt Cops, NEWSFLASH!!!!! Most people only have to call the police when they are victims. The 1 or 2% of you who spend your time constantly dealing with the police have a name, "CRIMINALS". I'm glad the Deputies are all going to be okay. As for the idiot who thought it was ok to STEAL someones car and then use it as a Weapon against the Deputies, I don't have to say anything because you got what you DESERVED!!!!
I don't feel sorry for anyone, my family or yours who go out and take things that don't belong to them, put other peoples lives in danger and even intentionally try to hurt the men and women who protect us.
You are responsible for the choices you make in life, especially those that may effect your untimely death!!!!!
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There is an element of thugs in our society. Mostly in our inner cities but elsewhere as well. They have NO regard for your property of life in general until they end up running into the police. They will marh in support of criminals. They will beat up your children, steal your car, even kill their own and always blame others. There is no reasoning, no logic. This is life in the hood and today there is no hope. Your best path is to stay away from theirs and keep them away from your neighborhood by fighting section 8 and demanding tough penalties for convicts. There is a bit of a culture war going on and right now it is getting worse not better.
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Tom 925,
Couple of things you might want to take a look at:
1) "hood" is short for neighborhood
2) The person that died was not on section 8 as far as anyone knows, but grew up in shore acres and lived there for most of his life.
3) I have no clue as what a "marh" is but assume you mean march.
4) I guess the dope dealers at SRVHS aren't thugs in your mind, just misunderstood. They are the ones that daddy gets out of juvey.
West Pittsburg, Bay Point is not as bad a most people think, yes, they their problems because of the afforablity of housing, but for the most part they are hard working people. Like other cities they have their problems, even your great Daniville.
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Toooldforthis,
I have no clue as what a "Daniville" is but assume you mean "Danville."
Don't be so quick to correct what is obviously a slip or miss of the finger as opposed to the lack of spelling knowledge. You knew what Tom925 meant as did everyone else. It happens to everyone, including YOU obviously.
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Jeff,
Yes, it was you're right, It meant to be Dandiville.
This was addressed to Tom925, because of his jumping on any tread and making racist, and elitist comments. This has been going on for a long time. . I'm sorry if anyone else took it wrong, we all make spelling mistakes.
And Tom, you are what is under a pony's tail and all you spew is what comes out of it.
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The real issue is typographical errors not the actual content. SRVHS kids are not thugs because they do not commit violent crime. Are there drugs at SRVHS? Yes, of course there are. Are they misunderstood? No, they are braking the law but this crime is in no way the same as the crimes in Richmond and Oakland or even Antioch now. Have you seen the test scores at SRVHS? This tells you much about what is and is not going on in this community. We here in Danville have had one homicide that I am aware of this year. Can you guess who the perp was? A kid from Oakland living in a group home in Danville. So again, thank you Oakland. Oh and we had one other Danville resident killed this year. It was a cop killed in Oakland by Mr. Mixon, who had people in Oakland march in support of him. What a world we live in.........
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I know in the PC world where we are all the same where putting your head in the sand is called enlightened. The statistical facts do not lie. Do you argue this point?
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Tom925,
At least I show respect for you to address you by the correct posting name, you in turn refer to to me Tool, Tooless, and others in the pass. As someone who has worked with statisics most of my life, I can make them show what ever you want. Most people, including you, will only use the parts of the stats that relate to proving your point. You used the scores of SRVHS to prove this, now what is the make up of that school? What percentage of the student body is on free or reduced lunches? What is the education level of the parents? What is the income of the parents? I can go on, but you will never get the point.
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Yes, the student body of SRVHS jas many advantages I agree with you on that. Is it chicken and egg? I dont know.
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cops can't wait to shoot their cool guns!!! BAM BAM BAM you're dead!
even Dirty Harry would just shoot the tires out in that situation.
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They shot the guy who called 911? ***** This is the second fatal shooting in a week involving a Contra Costa sheriff's deputy.
Last Thursday, Deputy Oscar Aranda shot and killed 46-year-old Roger McComb after he confronted deputies with a knife during an emergency call to his Rutherford Lane home in Martinez.
Aranda fired his weapon in self-defense, sheriff's Advertisement Capt. Daniel Terry said. Investigators later learned it was McComb himself who made the 911 call summoning deputies to his home, in which they also found a suicide note.
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Looks like you answered it in your own post, norcali. Suicide by cop and cop goes home to his loving family instead of being sliced up like sashimi by a suicidal lunatic. Nice job Deputy Aranda and thank you for protecting my city.
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I am not taking either side - I was criticized for my initial comments, but I want to know the facts about these things. If LE was in the right, then where is the suicide note (who else saw it), did they have to shoot him - what evidence supports this, and so on. I will keep an eye open to see what else develops.
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You might also be surprised to know that MOST suicide victims, be their suicides be by their own hands or "suicide by cop", do NOT leave suicide notes.
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